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The question of receiving the immigrant is an ethical issue that becomes a political issue.
It's not so simple to just walk into the desert and cleanse your soul like some new age, snap your fingers, it's all done.
Immigration is a kind of pilgrimage. That's the way I see it. Just to go back to the desert, biblical metaphors, that's the story of great migration right there, the Old Testament.
The wheel [migration] has been spinning and spinning and spinning. Wouldn't it be nice to imagine a world where that circle stops spinning in that crazy way? Because that's a huge wheel that's crushing people's lives, real people's lives, families.